Hi everyone. I was sitting here trying to figure out how to buy shoes for my daughter and a few things for the kids for Christmas as things are really tight right now due to my inability to work following 2 major back surgeries and came up with this idea.
I would like to offer personalized hand written letters from Santa, they will be neatly written on Holiday themed paper and be addressed to your little one.
I want to charge $1.41 per letter, $1 for myself and of course .41 for the stamp. This way, I can help others and myself at the same time. I%26#039;m not looking for handouts.
If you want one of these, please email me at angelina.mcauley@kay-dom.com, include the child%26#039;s name, age, a friend or someone close to them, and things they would like to have as well as the address to mail it.
This can be paid for thru my paypal account which is the same as my email address above.
Thanks so much and Merry Christmas!!!!
Where can I post information to %26quot;sell%26quot; Santa Letters?
You might want to post this in the %26quot;Christmas%26quot; sub-category. You may get some takers....but HURRY!!!
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009
Which is better Sansha or Leo's?
I%26#039;m thinking of buying either Sansha%26#039;s %26quot;Silhouette%26quot; shoe or Leo%26#039;s %26quot;Airabesque%26quot;. I have wide toes but narrow arch and I don%26#039;t want it to be baggy. I%26#039;m also confused on the sizing. The fitting says same as street but I can wear a four children%26#039;s and five and a half women%26#039;s. Anyways, what%26#039;s your recomendation?
Which is better Sansha or Leo%26#039;s?
Your feet sound just like mine, and I have tryed them all so I would sy go with the Leo%26#039;s %26quot;Airabesque. They work the best for me and I have no complants. As for the show size I would say get that smallest they have. So get like the 5. Hope this helps
Reply:haha thats so funny i just ordered a pair of leos arabesque ballet shoes too! ive heard they r rele good. i just got close to the same size of shoe i normally wear
Reply:i prefer leather so i%26#039;d go with the leo%26#039;s. they have a canvas insert which obviously enhances the line of the arch, i personally just don%26#039;t like shoes that are solely canvas...especially sanshas, they look like duck feet.
Reply:Dont get leos I have had leos before and the first time you try them on there great and you love them...but then you figure oiut they take sooo long to break in...and they hurt your toes like any thing!
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Which is better Sansha or Leo%26#039;s?
Your feet sound just like mine, and I have tryed them all so I would sy go with the Leo%26#039;s %26quot;Airabesque. They work the best for me and I have no complants. As for the show size I would say get that smallest they have. So get like the 5. Hope this helps
Reply:haha thats so funny i just ordered a pair of leos arabesque ballet shoes too! ive heard they r rele good. i just got close to the same size of shoe i normally wear
Reply:i prefer leather so i%26#039;d go with the leo%26#039;s. they have a canvas insert which obviously enhances the line of the arch, i personally just don%26#039;t like shoes that are solely canvas...especially sanshas, they look like duck feet.
Reply:Dont get leos I have had leos before and the first time you try them on there great and you love them...but then you figure oiut they take sooo long to break in...and they hurt your toes like any thing!
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Are the "Insurgents" really Insurgents?
They are not %26quot;insurgents.%26quot; They are dedicated patriots bravely mounting a resistance to an invasion force of carpetbaggers, pirates, thieves, and murderers.
I hope we would have the same dedication and courage to fight for our own homeland if the shoe were on the other foot. And the way Gerorge Wanker Bush has colossally messed up T-he W-ar A-gainst T-error.
O-peration I-raqi L-iberation is not something our children and children%26#039;s will be proud of. True patriots are committed to getting the commander-in-thief out of the Wh**e House before he murders even more GIs and Iraqi civilians.
Are the %26quot;Insurgents%26quot; really Insurgents?
Don%26#039;t you just love the %26quot;My country is always right%26quot; attitude a lot of answerers display? The simplest moral test of all is the test of turning a situation around and asking yourself, if this were happening to me, instead of to them, would I regard it the same, or differently? If you would regard it differently, then you%26#039;re judgment is not a principled judgment, but a self-serving one. Good question, asker. It%26#039;s questions like these that separate the thinkers from the rest of the herd.
Reply:You must get the special channel. But since 90% of them aren%26#039;t even Iraqi%26#039;s I would qualify them as insurgents.
Is it true that you couldn%26#039;t make in the navy or even the air force? tsk tsk tsk
Reply:If the tables were turned, and WE were in Iraq%26#039;s Position, than We would be Patriots.
Reply:I%26#039;m sure they%26#039;re innocent freedom fighters and barbers who simply took a wrong turn in Kandahar.......
Reply:Well....definite I really don%26#039;t agree with current US policy on terrorism....althought the insults are quite overkill and really optional. I only hope Homeland Security doesn%26#039;t track you down (just kidding). :o)
Reply:i agree kill his *** out
Reply:It%26#039;s too bad your somewhat valid criticism is lost inside strident rhetoric and childish sloganeering.
Yes, there are carpetbaggers, thieves, and murderers in Iraq. The most dangerous ones by far are paid, armed, and trucked in from places including Iran and Syria for the express purpose of destabilizing a fledgling democracy that so deeply frightens their dictators back home.
I am not a Bush administration apologist by any means, but only a fool would believe that the insurgents who are currently blowing up anything they can in Iraq, including women and children, actually belong there. The only people in Iraq who I would consider to be dedicated patriots are the fantastically brave souls who risk kidnapping, torture, and death just to join the local police force so they can bring law and order to their neighborhoods. The sinister forces for which you are misguidedly trying to garner sympathy, the ones who wear no uniform, who kidnap, torture, maim, and kill the innocent, are bona fide war criminals who are beneath contempt.
Reply:no, theyre really foreigners that have been brought in to disrupt the political process in Iraq
Reply:They are angels the way they blow up innocent people! That is exactly was patriots do. You are so insightful.
Reply:You%26#039;re not very bright are you?
Reply:First to Joey 120746. As a liberal you must also be a holy ROCK for you are not quite up to snuff on your information. To you my friend, the code for oil is old. If everyone would stop using it, like the Amish, we might be better well off. I see no patriots in Iraq except us. The idea is NOT to fight a war for our country but to try and preserve a NOW fledgling democratic system in the mid-east as well as to stop the%26quot;patriots%26quot; from coming over here and doing what so far has been prevented by our military as well as our security forces. People,get real. You are mainly sitting in the comfort of your homes bitching about something (WAR) in which most of you have no comprehension AT ALL in what it%26#039;s about or what%26#039;s at stake. Christ! Wake up. Do you think the Continental Army or the Union and Confederate forces were the last ones that gave you those comforts. Hell no! It was hundreds of thousands of Americans fighting piracy, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and %26quot;patriots%26quot; over the centuries that we have become a nation. Most of you have no clue how many times the US was on the brink of nuclear war or the hundreds of little wars our military has fought throughout the world to put out the flames of world destruction. Liberals and anti- war people have a point of view that is worth listening to but not to the point of outright murder of innocents in other parts of the world. Those type of people have killed more civilians throughout the world and its conflicts than any military action has. ***** but don%26#039;t YOU get your hands bloody. Let that up to people like me and thousands of other veterans and active military. You get these %26quot;patriots%26quot; minds thinking that they are doing the right thing and look what happens...Lebanon and Israel! Poor them. At least Israel knows how to fight a war and GOD pity those people and countries that go to war against them for they really don%26#039;t give a damn for the worlds opinion of them or what they do to win which,oh my, is what war is all about! If you really want to start a really good destructive war pull out our troops, reduce our military, and pull the US dollar from the world market as well as all interest we have in any part of the world. READ history and see what will happen both in our country and abroad. Idiots!!!! Love in Christ and I mean that in a good way...............
Reply:My, but you are angry. I agree, but I would try to tone down the rhetoric and more people might listen to you.
Reply:ORRRRR, they are infiltrators from places like Iran and Syria who are trying to murder those who disagree with Saddam and his murdering ways. I agree, Saddam and his sons were so much better for the people of Iraq. I guess you think taking down Hitler was a bad idea, too, and the Nazis were just %26quot;dedicated patriots who bravely mounted a resistance to an invasion force of carpetbaggers, pirate, thieves and murders.%26quot; Can you say %26quot;misinformed, liberal Jacka$$?%26quot;
Reply:Wow... someone forgot to take their Percodan today, huh?
Reply:yeah, and we are angels, too--the way WE blow up innocent people. War is hell, and no one is %26quot;right%26quot;. But we should never have gone to Iraq and started this mess.
P.S. ubathby, where did you get that BS?????
PPS...and here comes mikey again...why do you kooks think that it is some sort of a put-down to call someone a liberal ? I%26#039;m VERY liberal, and I am proud to be; I think it is the %26quot;holy%26quot; way to be. But I don%26#039;t call people conservative as name-calling, only to describe their political stance. And why would you think that the asker would not fight for our country? What we are doing in Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom--that is the garbled rhetoric!!!
Reply:I think insurgents is a recent term, they could also be called freedom fighters, or something like that.
Reply:We are fighting those who need fought, but you are right... on only one point. If some country invaded the US there would be a whole lot of %26quot;insurgents%26quot; running around the hills fighting back and I would probably be one of them. The true problem are the muslim extremists coming in from other countries for the sole purpose of disrupting everything. They are even killing Iraqi civilians. I agree with the war in Iraq and I%26#039;m sorry you are one of the liberals who can%26#039;t see past the nose on your face but still think yourself enlightened. No point arguing further though as you will discount it all with left-wing rhetoric anyway. Try having an original thought or coming up with your own opinion for once.
Joey, I%26#039;m not using the word liberal for name calling, but to show a political stance as you said, its just how it ends up. If you don%26#039;t like it, don%26#039;t promote it. The %26#039;holy%26#039; way to be? What a joke!!!
Reply:Whether someone is an insurgent, freedom fighter, patriot, militant, revolutionary, or terrorist, often depends on which side of the fence you sit on. It%26#039;s also sometimes determined by who wins the war.
If you%26#039;re referring to the US/Iraq situation, the US has made many mistakes and the war may have been illegitimate. It will still help the Iraqi people in the long run if we can stop messing things up.
Murder is a loaded word and should not be used to describe warfare. The only murders in Iraq were the rogue soldiers and prison guards. There are probably far more we don%26#039;t know about than we do. But Bush is not guilty of murder here, just poor leadership, bad decisions, and all kinds of other political evils.
If you think any of this makes the Al Qaida %26quot;foreign fighter%26quot; forces operating in Iraq into anything but terrorists, that%26#039;s wrong. They are among the most sinister, violent, brutal thugs ever to appear in a war zone. Cutting people%26#039;s heads off and blowing up civilian targets is murder, pure and simple, not insurgency or any other legitimate act of resistance.
Reply:I think that your premise is all off. You see, most of the so called insurgents aren%26#039;t even Iraqis. They are terrorists brought in from other middle eastern countries to prevent the Iraqis from forming a stable secular government.
Reply:yeah we invaded iraq for the oil. thats why the price of gasoline has gone up 300% in the last 3 years.
Reply:SIR, you said all that needs to be said and you wrote it very beautifully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply:You%26#039;re stupid. Get off your fat a$$ and go to Iraq, serve and then see how quick you are to open your ignorant mouth.
Reply:If they were insurgents they would be fighting the coalition forces instead of planting bombs in markets.
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I hope we would have the same dedication and courage to fight for our own homeland if the shoe were on the other foot. And the way Gerorge Wanker Bush has colossally messed up T-he W-ar A-gainst T-error.
O-peration I-raqi L-iberation is not something our children and children%26#039;s will be proud of. True patriots are committed to getting the commander-in-thief out of the Wh**e House before he murders even more GIs and Iraqi civilians.
Are the %26quot;Insurgents%26quot; really Insurgents?
Don%26#039;t you just love the %26quot;My country is always right%26quot; attitude a lot of answerers display? The simplest moral test of all is the test of turning a situation around and asking yourself, if this were happening to me, instead of to them, would I regard it the same, or differently? If you would regard it differently, then you%26#039;re judgment is not a principled judgment, but a self-serving one. Good question, asker. It%26#039;s questions like these that separate the thinkers from the rest of the herd.
Reply:You must get the special channel. But since 90% of them aren%26#039;t even Iraqi%26#039;s I would qualify them as insurgents.
Is it true that you couldn%26#039;t make in the navy or even the air force? tsk tsk tsk
Reply:If the tables were turned, and WE were in Iraq%26#039;s Position, than We would be Patriots.
Reply:I%26#039;m sure they%26#039;re innocent freedom fighters and barbers who simply took a wrong turn in Kandahar.......
Reply:Well....definite I really don%26#039;t agree with current US policy on terrorism....althought the insults are quite overkill and really optional. I only hope Homeland Security doesn%26#039;t track you down (just kidding). :o)
Reply:i agree kill his *** out
Reply:It%26#039;s too bad your somewhat valid criticism is lost inside strident rhetoric and childish sloganeering.
Yes, there are carpetbaggers, thieves, and murderers in Iraq. The most dangerous ones by far are paid, armed, and trucked in from places including Iran and Syria for the express purpose of destabilizing a fledgling democracy that so deeply frightens their dictators back home.
I am not a Bush administration apologist by any means, but only a fool would believe that the insurgents who are currently blowing up anything they can in Iraq, including women and children, actually belong there. The only people in Iraq who I would consider to be dedicated patriots are the fantastically brave souls who risk kidnapping, torture, and death just to join the local police force so they can bring law and order to their neighborhoods. The sinister forces for which you are misguidedly trying to garner sympathy, the ones who wear no uniform, who kidnap, torture, maim, and kill the innocent, are bona fide war criminals who are beneath contempt.
Reply:no, theyre really foreigners that have been brought in to disrupt the political process in Iraq
Reply:They are angels the way they blow up innocent people! That is exactly was patriots do. You are so insightful.
Reply:You%26#039;re not very bright are you?
Reply:First to Joey 120746. As a liberal you must also be a holy ROCK for you are not quite up to snuff on your information. To you my friend, the code for oil is old. If everyone would stop using it, like the Amish, we might be better well off. I see no patriots in Iraq except us. The idea is NOT to fight a war for our country but to try and preserve a NOW fledgling democratic system in the mid-east as well as to stop the%26quot;patriots%26quot; from coming over here and doing what so far has been prevented by our military as well as our security forces. People,get real. You are mainly sitting in the comfort of your homes bitching about something (WAR) in which most of you have no comprehension AT ALL in what it%26#039;s about or what%26#039;s at stake. Christ! Wake up. Do you think the Continental Army or the Union and Confederate forces were the last ones that gave you those comforts. Hell no! It was hundreds of thousands of Americans fighting piracy, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and %26quot;patriots%26quot; over the centuries that we have become a nation. Most of you have no clue how many times the US was on the brink of nuclear war or the hundreds of little wars our military has fought throughout the world to put out the flames of world destruction. Liberals and anti- war people have a point of view that is worth listening to but not to the point of outright murder of innocents in other parts of the world. Those type of people have killed more civilians throughout the world and its conflicts than any military action has. ***** but don%26#039;t YOU get your hands bloody. Let that up to people like me and thousands of other veterans and active military. You get these %26quot;patriots%26quot; minds thinking that they are doing the right thing and look what happens...Lebanon and Israel! Poor them. At least Israel knows how to fight a war and GOD pity those people and countries that go to war against them for they really don%26#039;t give a damn for the worlds opinion of them or what they do to win which,oh my, is what war is all about! If you really want to start a really good destructive war pull out our troops, reduce our military, and pull the US dollar from the world market as well as all interest we have in any part of the world. READ history and see what will happen both in our country and abroad. Idiots!!!! Love in Christ and I mean that in a good way...............
Reply:My, but you are angry. I agree, but I would try to tone down the rhetoric and more people might listen to you.
Reply:ORRRRR, they are infiltrators from places like Iran and Syria who are trying to murder those who disagree with Saddam and his murdering ways. I agree, Saddam and his sons were so much better for the people of Iraq. I guess you think taking down Hitler was a bad idea, too, and the Nazis were just %26quot;dedicated patriots who bravely mounted a resistance to an invasion force of carpetbaggers, pirate, thieves and murders.%26quot; Can you say %26quot;misinformed, liberal Jacka$$?%26quot;
Reply:Wow... someone forgot to take their Percodan today, huh?
Reply:yeah, and we are angels, too--the way WE blow up innocent people. War is hell, and no one is %26quot;right%26quot;. But we should never have gone to Iraq and started this mess.
P.S. ubathby, where did you get that BS?????
PPS...and here comes mikey again...why do you kooks think that it is some sort of a put-down to call someone a liberal ? I%26#039;m VERY liberal, and I am proud to be; I think it is the %26quot;holy%26quot; way to be. But I don%26#039;t call people conservative as name-calling, only to describe their political stance. And why would you think that the asker would not fight for our country? What we are doing in Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom--that is the garbled rhetoric!!!
Reply:I think insurgents is a recent term, they could also be called freedom fighters, or something like that.
Reply:We are fighting those who need fought, but you are right... on only one point. If some country invaded the US there would be a whole lot of %26quot;insurgents%26quot; running around the hills fighting back and I would probably be one of them. The true problem are the muslim extremists coming in from other countries for the sole purpose of disrupting everything. They are even killing Iraqi civilians. I agree with the war in Iraq and I%26#039;m sorry you are one of the liberals who can%26#039;t see past the nose on your face but still think yourself enlightened. No point arguing further though as you will discount it all with left-wing rhetoric anyway. Try having an original thought or coming up with your own opinion for once.
Joey, I%26#039;m not using the word liberal for name calling, but to show a political stance as you said, its just how it ends up. If you don%26#039;t like it, don%26#039;t promote it. The %26#039;holy%26#039; way to be? What a joke!!!
Reply:Whether someone is an insurgent, freedom fighter, patriot, militant, revolutionary, or terrorist, often depends on which side of the fence you sit on. It%26#039;s also sometimes determined by who wins the war.
If you%26#039;re referring to the US/Iraq situation, the US has made many mistakes and the war may have been illegitimate. It will still help the Iraqi people in the long run if we can stop messing things up.
Murder is a loaded word and should not be used to describe warfare. The only murders in Iraq were the rogue soldiers and prison guards. There are probably far more we don%26#039;t know about than we do. But Bush is not guilty of murder here, just poor leadership, bad decisions, and all kinds of other political evils.
If you think any of this makes the Al Qaida %26quot;foreign fighter%26quot; forces operating in Iraq into anything but terrorists, that%26#039;s wrong. They are among the most sinister, violent, brutal thugs ever to appear in a war zone. Cutting people%26#039;s heads off and blowing up civilian targets is murder, pure and simple, not insurgency or any other legitimate act of resistance.
Reply:I think that your premise is all off. You see, most of the so called insurgents aren%26#039;t even Iraqis. They are terrorists brought in from other middle eastern countries to prevent the Iraqis from forming a stable secular government.
Reply:yeah we invaded iraq for the oil. thats why the price of gasoline has gone up 300% in the last 3 years.
Reply:SIR, you said all that needs to be said and you wrote it very beautifully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply:You%26#039;re stupid. Get off your fat a$$ and go to Iraq, serve and then see how quick you are to open your ignorant mouth.
Reply:If they were insurgents they would be fighting the coalition forces instead of planting bombs in markets.
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Corpal punishment in schools?
What do you think of this?
Me personally, I went to a catholic elemantary and middle school (not hs) and it a was very pro-corpal punishment, pro-spanking place. We were spanked and hit for every minor infraction. Our rules were ridiculous. I remember one time my shoes had a scruff on them and I got 12 bare bottom spankings! After age 12, we were to be hit with a cane, not spanked. In 8th grade, I was caught cheating on a test and let me tell you, I got 40 whips with the cane on my bare bottom. I couldn%26#039;t sit for days.
However, it did teach me a lesson. I think it%26#039;s okay to spank, but not to when the child%26#039;s bottom is bright red or even bleeding (like the teachers did in my school!)
What is your opinion about corpal punishment in schools? What about at home?
Corpal punishment in schools?
When I was a kid in Texas (early 80%26#039;s) I got paddled at school, never bare bottom, and never more than 5 swats. Personally I think spanking in school is a good thing but I think your school may have been over the top even by my standards. As for 40 wackes for cheating I would have looked forward to that compared to what my parents would have done to me when they found out.
I have a 3 year old and she gets swats to the hand right now as well as time outs. Spanking is reserved as a last resort or for BIG screw ups. Cheating on a test.....boy would she have it coming.
Reply:Wow. I%26#039;m surprised schools would allow something like that. It%26#039;s deffinetely not right for get 40 whips from a cane. What about like 2 over a clothed bottom and a detention? I think there shouldn%26#039;t be spanking allowed in schools. I think it%26#039;s ridiculous. Detention and other policies should be strictly enforced, but deffinetely not spanking.
At home, it is okay if you are spanking the child on a clothed bottom, with an open hand only. And it%26#039;s not because the parent is angry. Depending on the kind of behavior they were demonstrating, they could get anywhere from 2-14 swats
Reply:Sad to hear you took that kind of abuse but even sadder to see that you think it is all right, spanking kids in schools might had been ok in those days but it is illegal now, I don%26#039;t make the laws, but I think physical punishment should be given at home and it must be the very last resort for discipline a kid. When I see these kind of things happening in Catholic schools I%26#039;m glad I%26#039;m not a catholic.
Reply:First of all bare bottom spankings in school???!!!! WTF??!!! Anyways I don%26#039;t think schools should use corporal punishment. Spanking at home, as long as it%26#039;s not bare bottom(why does someone wanna see their kid%26#039;s bare butt anyway) and is not leaving any marks is fine in my opinion if the kid is being really bad.
Reply:omg! that%26#039;s terrible!!! at home i was hit a lot, me and my brother. we remember it still and hated it. there was even an incident last saturday.......it was bad.
hitting only makes children fear their parents...which is what happened to me and my brother.
so people%26#039;s butts actually would start bleeding??!! omg! that%26#039;s horrible!
so corpal punishment in schools is terrible! some kids deal with it at home and they don%26#039;t need it at school! school is a place to learn, not be disciplined!!!
-poohbear
P.S. lol, that was a pretty goos speech i think
Reply:I think corporal punishment is a load of BS. Smacking kids around is just going to make them think its OK to smack each other around, and ultimately, their kids. If I ever got sent to a catholic school and a nun came at me with a ruler, I%26#039;d pull out a meter stick and be all like %26quot;Oh, you wanna go? It%26#039;s on! I%26#039;m about to go Metric on your a.s.s!%26quot; and whap her upside the head.
Reply:I think it is depraved and twisted and emanates from
those who derive a perverted sense of sub-erotic
pleasure in administering it.
Research demonstrates that this type punishment breeds
no positive effect and may instill fellings of deep hostility
and antisocial behavior.
Reply::O that is TERRIBLE!
The most we get is a detention and the occasional shouting from teachers lol...I don%26#039;t really agree with spanking unless the child is being VERY badly behaved...my mum has managed to discipline me verbally. :)
Reply:that%26#039;s terrible it%26#039;s illegal and it is child abuse i think a simple detention or loss of lunch recess or sitting in the office for lunch period is a good enough punishment
Reply:I think corporal punishment is okay at home, but not at school. At school, many times it becomes abuse like they did to you. A spanking should leave a child%26#039;s bottom sort of red, but not bleeding!!!
Reply:I think it%26#039;s wrong really wrong did yuor parents know????
Reply:i think what the school did is illigal
Reply:if they did that id fight back!
Reply:they still do that? i am outraged!
Reply:i think it%26#039;s stupid
Reply:I know what you mean my parents grew up in a culture of corporal punishment(parents from another country), though it works at a young age for example at 7 years old let say you steal from someone , they tell the teacher . Teacher hits you a bit in front of all your classmates. Then your parents hear about it.
It even gets worse by middle school. Then by highschool you probably would of seen it so much or had it done to you so much you wouldn%26#039;t even dare of do something against the rules.
Though I agree its good at schools just to teach children and students as long as they don%26#039;t get to in to it and just keep hitting the child for the fun of it or etc etc.
Do I think it should be in homes? lol YES as long as you do it out of love or teach them a lesson its good. Its only bad like lets say your father gets mad, he say come here son - then a slap to the face for no good reason when the son has done nothing wrong.
Besides that sometimes you just have to hit the child or either grow them up well. You can%26#039;t always take something away from a child .For ex saying don%26#039;t go outside when I am not home. Child does it you take away allowance,does it again take away ds,then does it again take away computer time,then it becomes just a time period where you keep taking items away from the child and the child keeps finding substitutes.
Reply:What was done to you was monstrous. But they have now dreated a monster because you are pro-spanking. That is ILLEGAL and HIGHLY ABUSIVE!
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Me personally, I went to a catholic elemantary and middle school (not hs) and it a was very pro-corpal punishment, pro-spanking place. We were spanked and hit for every minor infraction. Our rules were ridiculous. I remember one time my shoes had a scruff on them and I got 12 bare bottom spankings! After age 12, we were to be hit with a cane, not spanked. In 8th grade, I was caught cheating on a test and let me tell you, I got 40 whips with the cane on my bare bottom. I couldn%26#039;t sit for days.
However, it did teach me a lesson. I think it%26#039;s okay to spank, but not to when the child%26#039;s bottom is bright red or even bleeding (like the teachers did in my school!)
What is your opinion about corpal punishment in schools? What about at home?
Corpal punishment in schools?
When I was a kid in Texas (early 80%26#039;s) I got paddled at school, never bare bottom, and never more than 5 swats. Personally I think spanking in school is a good thing but I think your school may have been over the top even by my standards. As for 40 wackes for cheating I would have looked forward to that compared to what my parents would have done to me when they found out.
I have a 3 year old and she gets swats to the hand right now as well as time outs. Spanking is reserved as a last resort or for BIG screw ups. Cheating on a test.....boy would she have it coming.
Reply:Wow. I%26#039;m surprised schools would allow something like that. It%26#039;s deffinetely not right for get 40 whips from a cane. What about like 2 over a clothed bottom and a detention? I think there shouldn%26#039;t be spanking allowed in schools. I think it%26#039;s ridiculous. Detention and other policies should be strictly enforced, but deffinetely not spanking.
At home, it is okay if you are spanking the child on a clothed bottom, with an open hand only. And it%26#039;s not because the parent is angry. Depending on the kind of behavior they were demonstrating, they could get anywhere from 2-14 swats
Reply:Sad to hear you took that kind of abuse but even sadder to see that you think it is all right, spanking kids in schools might had been ok in those days but it is illegal now, I don%26#039;t make the laws, but I think physical punishment should be given at home and it must be the very last resort for discipline a kid. When I see these kind of things happening in Catholic schools I%26#039;m glad I%26#039;m not a catholic.
Reply:First of all bare bottom spankings in school???!!!! WTF??!!! Anyways I don%26#039;t think schools should use corporal punishment. Spanking at home, as long as it%26#039;s not bare bottom(why does someone wanna see their kid%26#039;s bare butt anyway) and is not leaving any marks is fine in my opinion if the kid is being really bad.
Reply:omg! that%26#039;s terrible!!! at home i was hit a lot, me and my brother. we remember it still and hated it. there was even an incident last saturday.......it was bad.
hitting only makes children fear their parents...which is what happened to me and my brother.
so people%26#039;s butts actually would start bleeding??!! omg! that%26#039;s horrible!
so corpal punishment in schools is terrible! some kids deal with it at home and they don%26#039;t need it at school! school is a place to learn, not be disciplined!!!
-poohbear
P.S. lol, that was a pretty goos speech i think
Reply:I think corporal punishment is a load of BS. Smacking kids around is just going to make them think its OK to smack each other around, and ultimately, their kids. If I ever got sent to a catholic school and a nun came at me with a ruler, I%26#039;d pull out a meter stick and be all like %26quot;Oh, you wanna go? It%26#039;s on! I%26#039;m about to go Metric on your a.s.s!%26quot; and whap her upside the head.
Reply:I think it is depraved and twisted and emanates from
those who derive a perverted sense of sub-erotic
pleasure in administering it.
Research demonstrates that this type punishment breeds
no positive effect and may instill fellings of deep hostility
and antisocial behavior.
Reply::O that is TERRIBLE!
The most we get is a detention and the occasional shouting from teachers lol...I don%26#039;t really agree with spanking unless the child is being VERY badly behaved...my mum has managed to discipline me verbally. :)
Reply:that%26#039;s terrible it%26#039;s illegal and it is child abuse i think a simple detention or loss of lunch recess or sitting in the office for lunch period is a good enough punishment
Reply:I think corporal punishment is okay at home, but not at school. At school, many times it becomes abuse like they did to you. A spanking should leave a child%26#039;s bottom sort of red, but not bleeding!!!
Reply:I think it%26#039;s wrong really wrong did yuor parents know????
Reply:i think what the school did is illigal
Reply:if they did that id fight back!
Reply:they still do that? i am outraged!
Reply:i think it%26#039;s stupid
Reply:I know what you mean my parents grew up in a culture of corporal punishment(parents from another country), though it works at a young age for example at 7 years old let say you steal from someone , they tell the teacher . Teacher hits you a bit in front of all your classmates. Then your parents hear about it.
It even gets worse by middle school. Then by highschool you probably would of seen it so much or had it done to you so much you wouldn%26#039;t even dare of do something against the rules.
Though I agree its good at schools just to teach children and students as long as they don%26#039;t get to in to it and just keep hitting the child for the fun of it or etc etc.
Do I think it should be in homes? lol YES as long as you do it out of love or teach them a lesson its good. Its only bad like lets say your father gets mad, he say come here son - then a slap to the face for no good reason when the son has done nothing wrong.
Besides that sometimes you just have to hit the child or either grow them up well. You can%26#039;t always take something away from a child .For ex saying don%26#039;t go outside when I am not home. Child does it you take away allowance,does it again take away ds,then does it again take away computer time,then it becomes just a time period where you keep taking items away from the child and the child keeps finding substitutes.
Reply:What was done to you was monstrous. But they have now dreated a monster because you are pro-spanking. That is ILLEGAL and HIGHLY ABUSIVE!
book
A very simple 'Following in the Footsteps'?
I used to emulate poets in this way, for the intellectual exercise and to help me with poetic techniques.
Would anyone else like to try?
Following in the Footsteps
The Village School
Ruth Burden
While walking in the country
You may accidentally pass
The Village School where children
Seem silent in their class.
______________________________
The walls are bare and dismal
The Queen’s image grim and plain
Colour only to be found
On the map of England’s gain.
Lice-shaven heads and pigtails.
Barefooted or buttoned shoe.
Petticoats and pinafores,
Well-weathered, nothing new.
In the playground, left briefly
Evidence of childhood’s joys -
A hoop, some skates, spinning-tops.
Simple, but well-loved toys.
You have stumbled magically
through a window to the past
And been privileged to see
Where Present time was cast.
Value such fleeting glimpses,
Recollect dead children’s ways.
See how far that we have come
From long-gone %26#039;Good Old Days%26#039;.
A very simple %26#039;Following in the Footsteps%26#039;?
Shall attempt, after coffee! Good morning!
Adidas
Would anyone else like to try?
Following in the Footsteps
The Village School
Ruth Burden
While walking in the country
You may accidentally pass
The Village School where children
Seem silent in their class.
______________________________
The walls are bare and dismal
The Queen’s image grim and plain
Colour only to be found
On the map of England’s gain.
Lice-shaven heads and pigtails.
Barefooted or buttoned shoe.
Petticoats and pinafores,
Well-weathered, nothing new.
In the playground, left briefly
Evidence of childhood’s joys -
A hoop, some skates, spinning-tops.
Simple, but well-loved toys.
You have stumbled magically
through a window to the past
And been privileged to see
Where Present time was cast.
Value such fleeting glimpses,
Recollect dead children’s ways.
See how far that we have come
From long-gone %26#039;Good Old Days%26#039;.
A very simple %26#039;Following in the Footsteps%26#039;?
Shall attempt, after coffee! Good morning!
Adidas
Did the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or Santa ever forget to visit you?
I think this is every child%26#039;s worst fear and also every PARENTS worst fear. lol
One of my favorite Mad TV skits is one where I think you hear the kids yell %26quot;It%26#039;s Christmas%26quot;. Then a little while later they run to their parents room saying %26quot;Santa forgot to come!%26quot; The parents kind of look at each other in shock! lol Turns out Santa left gifts in the closet. The poor kids got shoes to big to fit them and other junk. lol
As for me: One time when I was about 8 or so we were on vacation. I had lost a tooth and I was so worried the Tooth Fairy wouldn%26#039;t know where I was. I woke up the next morning and reached under my pillow and found nothing. I was in tears. My dad DEMANDED that she did come. We found the money inside the fold out sofa where it had fallen. lol
As parents my hubby and I sometimes write the %26quot;Tooth fairy%26quot; reminder so she won%26#039;t forget to visit. ; )
So will this year since Easter is so early. Think the Easter bunny will remember? lol
Did the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or Santa ever forget to visit you?
Yeah, when I was six my parents used to take me to the mall to meet The Easter Bunny and Santa. The tooth fairy always came lol. But I guess once I got older I figured out on my own that none of those did really exist, not casue my parents messed up lol. I%26#039;m 13 now tho, so i haven%26#039;t had to think about that stuff 4 awhile considering i dont beleive but i dont have kids to convince lol.
Reply:toth fairy for got me 3 years ago and i was mad...it was because i lost my tooth at like 4:00 in tha morning lol
Reply:NO BUT 1 ST NICOLAS DAY thats the day you put your shoes out. my mom forgot to fill it so she trew stuff out on front lawn from her bedroom window.
flower
One of my favorite Mad TV skits is one where I think you hear the kids yell %26quot;It%26#039;s Christmas%26quot;. Then a little while later they run to their parents room saying %26quot;Santa forgot to come!%26quot; The parents kind of look at each other in shock! lol Turns out Santa left gifts in the closet. The poor kids got shoes to big to fit them and other junk. lol
As for me: One time when I was about 8 or so we were on vacation. I had lost a tooth and I was so worried the Tooth Fairy wouldn%26#039;t know where I was. I woke up the next morning and reached under my pillow and found nothing. I was in tears. My dad DEMANDED that she did come. We found the money inside the fold out sofa where it had fallen. lol
As parents my hubby and I sometimes write the %26quot;Tooth fairy%26quot; reminder so she won%26#039;t forget to visit. ; )
So will this year since Easter is so early. Think the Easter bunny will remember? lol
Did the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or Santa ever forget to visit you?
Yeah, when I was six my parents used to take me to the mall to meet The Easter Bunny and Santa. The tooth fairy always came lol. But I guess once I got older I figured out on my own that none of those did really exist, not casue my parents messed up lol. I%26#039;m 13 now tho, so i haven%26#039;t had to think about that stuff 4 awhile considering i dont beleive but i dont have kids to convince lol.
Reply:toth fairy for got me 3 years ago and i was mad...it was because i lost my tooth at like 4:00 in tha morning lol
Reply:NO BUT 1 ST NICOLAS DAY thats the day you put your shoes out. my mom forgot to fill it so she trew stuff out on front lawn from her bedroom window.
flower
Why do people call Elijah Muhammad A Raciest for telling blacks to STOP WORSHIPING A MYSTERY SOOK GOD?
Because of slavery in America, separations occurred; fathers from families, mothers from daughters and sons -- Beatings, killings, tortures. Life for the Black man in America was suffering, shame and death.
The Emancipation Proclamation, after the Civil War brought about the Black man becoming a WILLING servant or slave for his former slavemaster, NOT a return to his name, language, country or God.
The Black man in America truly fitted the people described in Genesis Chapter 15:13:
%26quot;And He said unto Abraham, know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs. And they shall serve them and they shall afflict them 400 years. And also that Nation whom they shall serve will I judge and afterwards shall they come out with great substance.%26quot;
After the Civil War, the Black began calling himself in the names of his slave master. Practicing the religion of the slavemaster, speaking the language of the slavemaster. He was given nothing by the slavemaster to go for self.
Slavery, suffering and death was, now, the lifestyle for the Blackman of America, now called; *****, ******, coon, pickininny, shine, boy, uncle, etc...
There was work from sun up to sun up. No pay! or very little pay. More suffering, more misery, and more death!
Those in the KKK and those out of the KKK kill the Black man for nothing other than the color of his skin being Black. Torturing and killing the Black man was a pleasurable thing --A SPORT--for the white man.
The Black man called our for relief. The Black man prayed to the mystery God for relief from his pain, misery, suffering, shame and death, but no relief came.
The NAACP was organized in the early 1900%26#039;s by a group of whites and blacks but still no relief for the Black man.
The Black man took up arms to fight for America in World War I, as he did in the Spanish-American War and the Civil War but, still, no relief for the Black man.
More lynchings and burnings. More work and no pay -- still no relief for the Black man.
In the 1920%26#039;s, Marcus Garvey organized the Universal ***** Improvement Association (UNIA), which attempted to instill Black pride and to return Blacks to Africa. Garvey was jailed and deported. No relief for the Black man.
Now the Black man hated himself. He hated his color. He hated being Black or even being called Black. He joked:
%26quot;If you%26#039;re white, you%26#039;re right; if you%26#039;re yellow, you%26#039;re mellow; if you%26#039;re brown, stick around; but if you%26#039;re Black, GET BACK!%26quot;
He began calling himself anything but Black; names such as: olive-colored, creole, bronze, chocolate, tan, Indian. He had no money, no clothing, nor even a home.
The Great Depression of 1929 arrived. Blacks lived, mainly in the South doing sharecropping, land-renting or even in bonded slavery. Some migrated to the North to seek improvement as janitors, porters, maids, cooks, mammies, mail carriers, street cleaners and to face even more slavery, suffering and death, as the brothers in the South.
No relief to their cries or prayers for justice until about 1930, when a man --A Saviour-Master W.D. Fard, began teaching and searching among Blacks in Detroit, Michigan for a man of the Black condition and experience to LEAD and TEACH the Black man in America and put him on the road to Freedom, Justice, and Equality.
Elijah%26#039;s Coming Foretold in the Bible!
It was written of and foretold by God in Deuteronomy 18:18:
%26quot;I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brotheren, like unto thee and I will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.%26quot;
As it was prophesied, now it was fulfilled and true.
In Malachi 4:2
%26quot;Behold I will send you ELIJAH - The Prophet - just before the coming of the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord, and he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and children%26#039;s hearts to their father less I smite the Earth with a curse.%26quot;
Our Leader and Teacher, The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, The Last and Greatest Messenger of Allah, Who came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad was born the second week of October, 1897 to William and Marie, who went in the name of their former slavemaster-Poole. They lived in an area near Sandersville, Georgia and Desoto, Georgia, which is about five miles into the woods, in a community known as Bold Springs, GA. Bold Springs was a 100 militia district of Washington County, Georgia.
The Messenger%26#039;s father, at that time, was a Baptist preacher and taught sometimes in his church. He sharecropped to earn money for his family, as a farmer.
The parents loved their children --eight sons and five daughters. But one son --ELIJAH-- even as a child was unusually different. He had a yearn for learning. He studied ways of nature. He would study the Bible and would practice on his Brothers and Sisters as a preacher. He was destined for the future.
In the back of the church his father preached in, is a family cemetery.
The family of Messenger Elijah Muhammad moved to Cordell, Georgia about the time when he was about six years old. There, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad worked in the fields, along with his brothers and sisters, planting and plowing behind a mule; reaping and harvesting, picking, planting and chopping crop.
Schooling was not a required thing for Elijah and the other Blacks in the South, only work, day and night -- night and day.
The family of our Leader and Teacher, moved to Cordell in the early 1900%26#039;s, in an area known as Winona, about five miles south of Cordell.
The Messenger%26#039;s family was very poor. They lived across the road from the train depot, where one train a day passed through, which they called: %26#039;The shoe-fly:.
Messenger Elijah Muhammad would walk down what was called: The Rock House Road: to visit Sister Clara Muhammad.
The Messenger and his family attended Zion Hope Baptist Church, which was located on old Highway 41 below Winona.
Messenger Elijah Muhammad met Sister Clara Muhammad, one of three daughters and two sons of the Evans family, in about 1915 at a church meeting house in the country.
Sister Clara Muhammad, the Messenger%26#039;s one and only wife, was born in Houston, County just outside of Unadilla, Georgia. Her father always rented land.
Sister Clara Muhammad%26#039;s sister, Rose, remembers the Messenger always coming to their house on a Sunday afternoon, just after church; around 6:00 pm; leaving around 9:00 pm because he had to work in the fields the next day. He always visited wearing a blue suit and tie, but never a hat. But he did wear a straw hat when plowing.
After two years of courtship, they were married (eloped) on May 2, 1917. Sister Clara%26#039;s father was furious because of their elopement. They lived in a rented room. Their first son, Emanuel was born February 3, 1921 in Sister Clara Muhammad%26#039;s parents home, as the Messenger left, going to Macon, GA, seeking better employment and higher wages to support his family.
The Messenger sent for his wife and their 1-1/2 month old son, to join him in Macon, Georgia, where he worked for the Cherokee Brick and Tile Company, as a section hand and for the Southern Railroad and other jobs.
At all of his jobs, his co-workers, themselves, chose him to be their spokesman or his employer chose him to supervise others.
Blacks were poor and suffering with no jobs or jobs with very little pay. The beatings, lynchings and tortures of Black people was a frequent and seemingly legal affair.
Segregation was a way of life. Some Blacks tried to escape by changing their color, using bleaching cream on their skin to lighten it and using lye, other chemicals and hot combs to straighten their hair.
Our Leader, Messenger Elijah Muhammad moved to Detroit, Michigan. There he worked at American Canning Factory, and Chevrolet and other places. Almost always being chosen by his co-workers or employers as a Leader of men -- to be foreman or supervisor.
He was always kind and considerate and concerned for his fellow brothers.
Blacks were still suffering all over America.
The Poole family, as our leader did not, yet, have the knowledge of his self, nor God, and was yet going in the slavemaster%26#039;s name. They were living at 8474 Manhattan Street in Hamtramck, an area surrounded by Detroit, Michigan with an outside toilet.
Why do people call Elijah Muhammad A Raciest for telling blacks to STOP WORSHIPING A MYSTERY SOOK GOD?
Because he was. One of the worst.
Let’s hear what this racist %26quot;prophet%26quot; says about white people:
“The Yakub made devils were really pale white, with really blue eyes; which we think are the ugliest of colors for a human eye. They were called Caucasian.”
According to Elijah Muhammad, this %26quot;Yakub%26quot; was a black scientist that created the white race in a laboratory by separating one of his own black germs; hence, all white people came from a black man.
Elijah adds,
“The black nation is only fooling themselves to take the Caucasian race otherwise. This is what Jesus learned to their history, before He gave up His work of trying to convert the Jews or white race to the religion of Islam. The Holy Quran (Surah 49:13-15) throws a great light on the truth of the creation of this pale, white race of devils. Black people have a heart of gold, love and mercy. Such a heart, nature did not give to the white race.”
Wow! This is religious science-fiction at it’s best folks. Makes Scientology look almost sane by comparison!!
Reply:I ASSURE YOU the ones spoken of in GENESIS
WAS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE AN AFRICAN DESCENTED AMERICAN
that was the JEWS that was in slavery to EGYPT
and if HIS NAME is Elijah Muhammed
HE ISNT ALL AFRICAN EITHER !!!
and ELIJAH the prophet the forerunner of CHRIST was
JOHN THE BAPTIST as it is written in GODS WORD
Reply:Frankly, I don%26#039;t understand the NOI as a whole and can%26#039;t see the logic it claims to offer. BUT I can be tolerant (i.e. respectful) and not understand at the same time. To me it does seem pretty racist to have a religion that only has black people and no other colors. Regliion isn%26#039;t about color. It%26#039;s about God. Seems that concept is lost in this case.
Reply:Elijah Muhammad taught that Whites were evil. In the 1950s I%26#039;m sure this was true overall, but times have changed. Racism is still a major issue in many societies, and it%26#039;s true that Blacks are still unrepresented minorities due to slavery, but preaching that all whites are evil is a bit extreme, don%26#039;t you think?
acne scar
The Emancipation Proclamation, after the Civil War brought about the Black man becoming a WILLING servant or slave for his former slavemaster, NOT a return to his name, language, country or God.
The Black man in America truly fitted the people described in Genesis Chapter 15:13:
%26quot;And He said unto Abraham, know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs. And they shall serve them and they shall afflict them 400 years. And also that Nation whom they shall serve will I judge and afterwards shall they come out with great substance.%26quot;
After the Civil War, the Black began calling himself in the names of his slave master. Practicing the religion of the slavemaster, speaking the language of the slavemaster. He was given nothing by the slavemaster to go for self.
Slavery, suffering and death was, now, the lifestyle for the Blackman of America, now called; *****, ******, coon, pickininny, shine, boy, uncle, etc...
There was work from sun up to sun up. No pay! or very little pay. More suffering, more misery, and more death!
Those in the KKK and those out of the KKK kill the Black man for nothing other than the color of his skin being Black. Torturing and killing the Black man was a pleasurable thing --A SPORT--for the white man.
The Black man called our for relief. The Black man prayed to the mystery God for relief from his pain, misery, suffering, shame and death, but no relief came.
The NAACP was organized in the early 1900%26#039;s by a group of whites and blacks but still no relief for the Black man.
The Black man took up arms to fight for America in World War I, as he did in the Spanish-American War and the Civil War but, still, no relief for the Black man.
More lynchings and burnings. More work and no pay -- still no relief for the Black man.
In the 1920%26#039;s, Marcus Garvey organized the Universal ***** Improvement Association (UNIA), which attempted to instill Black pride and to return Blacks to Africa. Garvey was jailed and deported. No relief for the Black man.
Now the Black man hated himself. He hated his color. He hated being Black or even being called Black. He joked:
%26quot;If you%26#039;re white, you%26#039;re right; if you%26#039;re yellow, you%26#039;re mellow; if you%26#039;re brown, stick around; but if you%26#039;re Black, GET BACK!%26quot;
He began calling himself anything but Black; names such as: olive-colored, creole, bronze, chocolate, tan, Indian. He had no money, no clothing, nor even a home.
The Great Depression of 1929 arrived. Blacks lived, mainly in the South doing sharecropping, land-renting or even in bonded slavery. Some migrated to the North to seek improvement as janitors, porters, maids, cooks, mammies, mail carriers, street cleaners and to face even more slavery, suffering and death, as the brothers in the South.
No relief to their cries or prayers for justice until about 1930, when a man --A Saviour-Master W.D. Fard, began teaching and searching among Blacks in Detroit, Michigan for a man of the Black condition and experience to LEAD and TEACH the Black man in America and put him on the road to Freedom, Justice, and Equality.
Elijah%26#039;s Coming Foretold in the Bible!
It was written of and foretold by God in Deuteronomy 18:18:
%26quot;I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brotheren, like unto thee and I will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.%26quot;
As it was prophesied, now it was fulfilled and true.
In Malachi 4:2
%26quot;Behold I will send you ELIJAH - The Prophet - just before the coming of the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord, and he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and children%26#039;s hearts to their father less I smite the Earth with a curse.%26quot;
Our Leader and Teacher, The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, The Last and Greatest Messenger of Allah, Who came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad was born the second week of October, 1897 to William and Marie, who went in the name of their former slavemaster-Poole. They lived in an area near Sandersville, Georgia and Desoto, Georgia, which is about five miles into the woods, in a community known as Bold Springs, GA. Bold Springs was a 100 militia district of Washington County, Georgia.
The Messenger%26#039;s father, at that time, was a Baptist preacher and taught sometimes in his church. He sharecropped to earn money for his family, as a farmer.
The parents loved their children --eight sons and five daughters. But one son --ELIJAH-- even as a child was unusually different. He had a yearn for learning. He studied ways of nature. He would study the Bible and would practice on his Brothers and Sisters as a preacher. He was destined for the future.
In the back of the church his father preached in, is a family cemetery.
The family of Messenger Elijah Muhammad moved to Cordell, Georgia about the time when he was about six years old. There, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad worked in the fields, along with his brothers and sisters, planting and plowing behind a mule; reaping and harvesting, picking, planting and chopping crop.
Schooling was not a required thing for Elijah and the other Blacks in the South, only work, day and night -- night and day.
The family of our Leader and Teacher, moved to Cordell in the early 1900%26#039;s, in an area known as Winona, about five miles south of Cordell.
The Messenger%26#039;s family was very poor. They lived across the road from the train depot, where one train a day passed through, which they called: %26#039;The shoe-fly:.
Messenger Elijah Muhammad would walk down what was called: The Rock House Road: to visit Sister Clara Muhammad.
The Messenger and his family attended Zion Hope Baptist Church, which was located on old Highway 41 below Winona.
Messenger Elijah Muhammad met Sister Clara Muhammad, one of three daughters and two sons of the Evans family, in about 1915 at a church meeting house in the country.
Sister Clara Muhammad, the Messenger%26#039;s one and only wife, was born in Houston, County just outside of Unadilla, Georgia. Her father always rented land.
Sister Clara Muhammad%26#039;s sister, Rose, remembers the Messenger always coming to their house on a Sunday afternoon, just after church; around 6:00 pm; leaving around 9:00 pm because he had to work in the fields the next day. He always visited wearing a blue suit and tie, but never a hat. But he did wear a straw hat when plowing.
After two years of courtship, they were married (eloped) on May 2, 1917. Sister Clara%26#039;s father was furious because of their elopement. They lived in a rented room. Their first son, Emanuel was born February 3, 1921 in Sister Clara Muhammad%26#039;s parents home, as the Messenger left, going to Macon, GA, seeking better employment and higher wages to support his family.
The Messenger sent for his wife and their 1-1/2 month old son, to join him in Macon, Georgia, where he worked for the Cherokee Brick and Tile Company, as a section hand and for the Southern Railroad and other jobs.
At all of his jobs, his co-workers, themselves, chose him to be their spokesman or his employer chose him to supervise others.
Blacks were poor and suffering with no jobs or jobs with very little pay. The beatings, lynchings and tortures of Black people was a frequent and seemingly legal affair.
Segregation was a way of life. Some Blacks tried to escape by changing their color, using bleaching cream on their skin to lighten it and using lye, other chemicals and hot combs to straighten their hair.
Our Leader, Messenger Elijah Muhammad moved to Detroit, Michigan. There he worked at American Canning Factory, and Chevrolet and other places. Almost always being chosen by his co-workers or employers as a Leader of men -- to be foreman or supervisor.
He was always kind and considerate and concerned for his fellow brothers.
Blacks were still suffering all over America.
The Poole family, as our leader did not, yet, have the knowledge of his self, nor God, and was yet going in the slavemaster%26#039;s name. They were living at 8474 Manhattan Street in Hamtramck, an area surrounded by Detroit, Michigan with an outside toilet.
Why do people call Elijah Muhammad A Raciest for telling blacks to STOP WORSHIPING A MYSTERY SOOK GOD?
Because he was. One of the worst.
Let’s hear what this racist %26quot;prophet%26quot; says about white people:
“The Yakub made devils were really pale white, with really blue eyes; which we think are the ugliest of colors for a human eye. They were called Caucasian.”
According to Elijah Muhammad, this %26quot;Yakub%26quot; was a black scientist that created the white race in a laboratory by separating one of his own black germs; hence, all white people came from a black man.
Elijah adds,
“The black nation is only fooling themselves to take the Caucasian race otherwise. This is what Jesus learned to their history, before He gave up His work of trying to convert the Jews or white race to the religion of Islam. The Holy Quran (Surah 49:13-15) throws a great light on the truth of the creation of this pale, white race of devils. Black people have a heart of gold, love and mercy. Such a heart, nature did not give to the white race.”
Wow! This is religious science-fiction at it’s best folks. Makes Scientology look almost sane by comparison!!
Reply:I ASSURE YOU the ones spoken of in GENESIS
WAS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE AN AFRICAN DESCENTED AMERICAN
that was the JEWS that was in slavery to EGYPT
and if HIS NAME is Elijah Muhammed
HE ISNT ALL AFRICAN EITHER !!!
and ELIJAH the prophet the forerunner of CHRIST was
JOHN THE BAPTIST as it is written in GODS WORD
Reply:Frankly, I don%26#039;t understand the NOI as a whole and can%26#039;t see the logic it claims to offer. BUT I can be tolerant (i.e. respectful) and not understand at the same time. To me it does seem pretty racist to have a religion that only has black people and no other colors. Regliion isn%26#039;t about color. It%26#039;s about God. Seems that concept is lost in this case.
Reply:Elijah Muhammad taught that Whites were evil. In the 1950s I%26#039;m sure this was true overall, but times have changed. Racism is still a major issue in many societies, and it%26#039;s true that Blacks are still unrepresented minorities due to slavery, but preaching that all whites are evil is a bit extreme, don%26#039;t you think?
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